Consumer Safety Complaints

Search 2,245,377 safety complaints filed by vehicle owners with NHTSA, including 140,173 crashes, 56,794 fires, and 8,580 deaths.

2,245,377 Total Complaints
140,173 Reported Crashes
56,794 Reported Fires
8,580 Reported Deaths

What is a NHTSA consumer complaint?

A consumer complaint is a free-form report filed by a vehicle owner directly to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) describing a safety concern about their vehicle. NHTSA collects these reports through its Vehicle Owner Defect Report (VOQ) system and publishes them publicly. Each complaint includes the affected component, the date and circumstances of the incident, whether the failure caused a crash or fire, and any reported injuries or deaths. The owner's full narrative description is included verbatim, NHTSA does not edit or moderate the descriptions.

The database below contains over 2,245,377 individual complaints. NHTSA's investigators monitor it for clusters of similar reports, when enough owners describe the same failure mode on the same vehicle, NHTSA may open a Preliminary Evaluation that can lead to a recall. Many of the largest recalls in U.S. history, including the Takata airbag recall and the Hyundai/Kia engine fire recalls, started as patterns visible in this complaint database years before they became formal recalls.

How to interpret what you read

A few principles for reading consumer complaints usefully:

  • One complaint is anecdote; a hundred similar complaints is data. NHTSA does not investigate the truthfulness of any individual report, that's the job of the Office of Defects Investigation, which looks at the full pattern. When evaluating a vehicle, look for whether multiple owners describe the same chain of events.
  • Crash, fire, injury, and death flags are owner-set. They are not verified by NHTSA. They are still useful as a filter, because owners who tick those boxes are typically reporting more serious incidents than those who don't.
  • Component categories are NHTSA-assigned, not owner-assigned. NHTSA standardizes the component field so that complaints can be aggregated. The owner narrative often goes into more detail than the component category captures.
  • Complaint volume scales with sales volume. A best-selling model will accumulate more raw complaints than a niche model even at the same defect rate. To compare across vehicles, look at complaints per 100,000 units sold, not raw counts.

If you've experienced a defect

File a complaint. NHTSA's investigators rely on this database to detect emerging defects, and useful complaints, specific, concrete, with dates and mileage and clear descriptions of what happened, feed directly into the agency's pattern detection. The form takes about 10 minutes and is at nhtsa.gov/recalls under "Report a Safety Problem." Your complaint becomes part of the same public record that this page is built from. Owners filing detailed VOQs are how recalls get triggered.

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KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R (2021) - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE Oct 23, 2025
Incident date: Dec 23, 2022
The contact owns a 2018 GMC Acadia. The contact stated that while driving at an undisclosed speed, the vehicle failed to accelerate while attempting to shift gears. The contact stated that the vehicle jerked and made an abnormal sound, with the check engine warning light illuminated. Additionally, the contact stated there was black and white smoke coming from the rear of the vehicle. The vehicle w... Read more
KTM 690 ENDURO R (2022) - FORWARD COLLISION AVOIDANCE: ADAPTIVE CRUISE CONTROL Oct 17, 2025
Incident date: Sep 30, 2025
The infotainment system, which controls most of the functions of driving safely, is down again for the 2nd time since I purchased my Atlas on 6/9/25. The first time it happened, the local VW dealer had me bring it in on 8/30 & they "fixed" it relatively quickly. They stated it was a local issue & had many Atlas screens that went down but they didn't know why. Now on 10/16 this occurred again... Read more
KTM 690 ENDURO R (2022) - SERVICE BRAKES Oct 17, 2025
Incident date: Sep 30, 2025
While driving on the highway at normal operating speeds, the vehicle suddenly lost power, and the accelerator pedal became completely unresponsive, preventing me from maintaining speed or safely exiting the roadway. This created a severe safety hazard, as I was unable to maneuver or pull off to avoid fast-moving traffic. Immediately after, I attempted to shift the vehicle into “Park,” but rece... Read more
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - SERVICE BRAKES Oct 13, 2025
Incident date: Oct 2, 2025
All vehicle assistance lights on such as e-break, vsa, mitigation system, and cruise control show up as faulty. Infotainment system goes off on its own as well. Very bad electrical parking break light always shows up when vehicle starts. Taking it to dealer multiple times they claimed it’s ok.
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - SUSPENSION Oct 6, 2025
Incident date: Aug 1, 2025
Car was making a rattling noise and no indication on the car indicating that it was a suspension issue. Drove for a few months without realizing that it was a suspension and hence a safety problem. Took it to the Tesla Service Center and they diagnosed as a suspension problem and said that it was unsafe to drive the car. The repair at Tesla to replace the links (aft, fore, sway bar) and spring/dam... Read more
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - ENGINE Oct 6, 2025
Incident date: Aug 1, 2025
The contact owns a 2016 Hyundai Tucson. The contact stated that while driving 75 MPH, the vehicle inadvertently lost motive power and was unable to accelerate above 35 MPH, prompting the contact to discontinue driving the vehicle. No warning lights were illuminated. The vehicle was towed to the dealer, who diagnosed failures with the engine knock sensor and catalytic converter. The contact was inf... Read more
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING Oct 6, 2025
Incident date: Oct 5, 2025
The contact owns a 2020 Kia Sorento. The contact stated that while driving on several occasions at various speeds, the vehicle consumed an excessive amount of engine oil. The contact stated that on several occasions, there was no oil or low oil in the oil pan. The contact stated that oil needed to be added to the vehicle daily. The vehicle was not diagnosed or repaired. The manufacturer was notifi... Read more
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - STRUCTURE:INTERIOR PANELS:DASHBOARD Oct 6, 2025
Incident date: Oct 5, 2025
The contact owns a 2017 Jayco Alante RV built on a 2016 Ford F53 Chassis. The contact stated that there was a design flaw, making it impossible to work on the braking system of the motorhome. While having a routine oil change at the local dealer, the contact was informed that the brake fluid reservoir could not be opened because the brake fluid reservoir was not accessible. The dashboard of the ... Read more
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Oct 6, 2025
Incident date: Oct 4, 2025
My 2023 Jeep Grand Cherokee L and intermittent starting issue. The vehicle would not recognize the key at times. After a while I was unable to start the vehicle without having the fob touching. Last week the vehicle you start and the shutoff when I tried to drive away. I resorted to using the auto start and manipulate the vehicle start that way. A vehicle randomly shutting off when attempting to d... Read more
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Oct 6, 2025
Incident date: Oct 4, 2025
UNKNOWN Driver noticed increased volume of audio system without driver interference.
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - ELECTRONIC STABILITY CONTROL (ESC) Oct 6, 2025
Incident date: Oct 4, 2025
The contact owns a 2014 Chevrolet Silverado 1500. The contact stated that while driving at 20 MPH, the vehicle started pulling to the left, requiring the contact to manually return the steering wheel to the center. The ABS warning light was illuminated. The vehicle was not taken to the dealer or an independent mechanic to be diagnosed or repaired. After investigating the failure, the contact relat... Read more
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - POWER TRAIN Sep 30, 2025
Incident date: Sep 10, 2025
My car has twice been fixed with this shift to park message and now it is in the shop once again to be fixed!! And this has also had the torque converter fixed twice now. And it is still doing the same issues. This needs to be something that Chevy is replacing. I am a single mother and can’t afford all these problems and yet I keep having to make a car payment and get these things fixed.
KTM 690 SMC R (2025) - EXTERIOR LIGHTING Sep 28, 2025
Incident date: Sep 27, 2025
The dashboard lights, HUD and exterior lights all have been turning off for 4-5 seconds every 6-8 weeks for the last 14-15 months. The brake and accelerometer remain active but because of the situation it presents every time, all that can be done is stray straight and try to look for a safe lane change.
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - SERVICE BRAKES Sep 6, 2025
Incident date: Sep 1, 2025
UNKNOWN. Saw there was recall in past for rear piston but mine was not affected. But I’m having issues with the brakes. When slowing down or coming to stop when using the brake, the whole car shakes and rattles.
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - STEERING Sep 6, 2025
Incident date: Sep 1, 2025
Loss of power steering occasionally, getting a power steering fault, but as of now, starts working again
KTM 1290 SUPER ADVENTURE S (2023) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Sep 2, 2025
Incident date: Aug 3, 2024
First, I was not involved in an incident or accident with my vehicle. My concern is for my safety in the future while driving this vehicle. My RAM 2500 Power Wagon has a safety recall C4B/NHTSA 24V-896 for the brake system but there are no parts available to fix it. I currently have an ABS caution light with a "Service Electronic Braking System" and "Service Automatic Braking System" that constan... Read more
KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - STRUCTURE:BODY Aug 20, 2025
Incident date: Jul 3, 2025
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KTM 390 ADVENTURE R (2025) - SERVICE BRAKES Aug 20, 2025
Incident date: Jul 3, 2025
The vehicle has grade assist braking, which cannot be disabled. At speeds below 35mph this braking is too strong and cannot be properly controlled with throttle input. The effect is that, when going downhill, if you release pressure from the gas pedal, the vehicle will abruptly decelerate by several mph with no illumination of the brake light. In traffic, in hilly areas, this is extremely dangero... Read more
KTM 890 DUKE (2021) - FUEL SYSTEM, DIESEL Aug 19, 2025
Incident date: Jul 15, 2024
The contact owns a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The contact received notifications of NHTSA Campaign Numbers: 22V406000 (Fuel System, Diesel) and 24V838000 (Service Brakes, Hydraulic); however, the parts to do the recall repairs were unavailable. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repairs. The dealer was contacted and confirmed that parts ... Read more
KTM 890 DUKE (2021) - SERVICE BRAKES, HYDRAULIC Aug 19, 2025
Incident date: Jul 15, 2024
The contact owns a 2018 Jeep Grand Cherokee. The contact received notifications of NHTSA Campaign Numbers: 22V406000 (Fuel System, Diesel) and 24V838000 (Service Brakes, Hydraulic); however, the parts to do the recall repairs were unavailable. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repairs. The dealer was contacted and confirmed that parts ... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2021) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Aug 6, 2025
Incident date: Jun 30, 2025
Multiple warnings with the service hybrid system alert coming on the dash. Code B273C-00 was confirmed by the technician at the Napleton Jeep service department. Vehicle can shut off at any time at any speed and there is no resolution at this time to fix the issue. When accelerating over uneven surfaces, the vehicle bucks back and forth violently. This concern was verified with the technician at... Read more
KTM 690 SMC R (2021) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Jul 19, 2025
Incident date: Jul 19, 2025
The electrical system in the car had failed producing multiple warnings ranging from: speed control system: currently unavailable. See owner's manual Audi pre sense: currently limited. See owner's manual Audi pre sense: malfunction! Please contact service Tire pressure: malfunction! Please see owner's manual Steering: malfunction! You can continue driving Parking aid: malfunction! Obstacles cannot... Read more
KTM 690 ENDURO R (2021) - FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 26, 2025
Incident date: Feb 22, 2024
We purchased a 2016 Kia Soul with the GDI engine in October 2024 from Jim Shorkey Kia in Uniontown with 60K miles on it. We just had to have a whole new Catalytic Converter installed that cost us $1500 because the one on this car was completely messed up. It caused the car to stall, have no power and when my daughter was pulling into her parking space, this caused the brakes to stop working beca... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2021) - UNKNOWN OR OTHER Jun 19, 2025
Incident date: Jun 12, 2025
On Tue 6/17 I was driving my 2012 Hyundai Veloster home when the sunroof glass spontaneously exploded (no notifications)then the sound of shattering glass. There were no cars ahead of me and none behind so it was doubtful there was damage done to other people. I did have small chunks of glass fall on me and in the car. Humble Hyundai dealership can't find the recall. I called the main office ... Read more
KTM 690 ENDURO R (2021) - ENGINE Jun 15, 2025
Incident date: Jun 10, 2025
While my [XXX] son was driving my 2021 GMC Yukon Denali XL, the engine failed suddenly without warning. The vehicle lost power completely and became inoperable, leaving them stranded far from home. This posed a significant safety risk to my family, especially given the location and time of day. There were no warning lights or messages prior to the failure. The vehicle was towed to a GMC-certifi... Read more
KTM 690 SMC R (2021) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM May 28, 2025
Incident date: May 20, 2025
Hello, I previously wrote about this problem under ID#116588898 however i feel as though it did not explain what happened correctly. As I was backing out of my garage, I stopped my vehicle putting it in park. After putting my vehicle in reverse and looking in my mirrors I didn't see anything behind me. (a blind spot) I was on an angle. My radio was on and as I proceeded in reverse, I hit a car tha... Read more
Crash
KTM 690 ENDURO R (2021) - STEERING Apr 14, 2025
Incident date: Apr 12, 2025
There is steering problem especially in high way. The steering is stiff and a little stuck. The car can not go in straight, either left or right, it will over correct. I have to hold the steering wheel to overcome the stuck force to keep in a straight line, then it will over turn. I have to do it again from the other side. And it keeps left to right, right to left.
KTM 890 DUKE R (2022) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Mar 22, 2025
Incident date: Mar 16, 2025
There’s something wrong in the electrical system. In order to start the car, it requires boosting the battery only. Boosting under the hood doesn’t work with the lithium power packs charged 100%. After signing the financial documents the day I test drove it, I couldn’t drive it home if I wanted to. The car wouldn’t start. I don’t know how the dealer got it started but I have been in... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE (2019) - VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL Nov 26, 2024
Incident date: Sep 7, 2024
I am not sure exactly what happened but their was indeed an internal systems failure of some sort that definitely needs to be resolved and the public needs to be made aware of. I lost control of my vehicle do to some circumstance beyond my control and I was nearly killed an a father and son as well. I hope the government gets to the bottom of this and makes all humans aware of this threat to our w... Read more
Crash
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2023) - VISIBILITY/WIPER Oct 30, 2024
Incident date: Apr 1, 2024
The passenger ide door mirror is manufactured with flat glass and not Convex glass. The flat glass field of view is not nearly wide enough for this large truck and it creates large blind spots. This flat glass creates a substantial risk for an accident while traveling on the roadway, highway or even maneuvering while parking. It is impossible to adjust the flat glass mirror to indicate a smaller c... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2023) - ENGINE Oct 30, 2024
Incident date: Apr 1, 2024
The contact owns a 2014 Ford Focus. The contact stated while driving at approximately 35 to 40 MPH, the vehicle started jerking abnormally. The contact stated that while at a traffic light, the vehicle revved up abnormally. The vehicle failed to go into gear. The check engine and another unknown warning light were illuminated. The vehicle was taken to an independent mechanic, who determined that t... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2023) - POWER TRAIN Oct 30, 2024
Incident date: Apr 1, 2024
The contact owns a 2014 Ford Focus. The contact stated while driving at approximately 35 to 40 MPH, the vehicle started jerking abnormally. The contact stated that while at a traffic light, the vehicle revved up abnormally. The vehicle failed to go into gear. The check engine and another unknown warning light were illuminated. The vehicle was taken to an independent mechanic, who determined that t... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2021) - FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM Sep 9, 2024
Incident date: Jul 30, 2024
Vehicle quit running while driving was going about 5 miles an hour just shut down tried to restart cranks but will not start no safety issues We had to call a tow truck and have vehicle towed to dealer has about 24,000 miles on it. It sounds like a fuel pump issue. Valley motor city Jeep in Cuyahoga Falls, Ohio, 330-937-9481 where the vehicle is being repaired called me Friday 9/6/24 and said they... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2021) - STEERING Sep 9, 2024
Incident date: Jul 30, 2024
The control arm of my 2023 Model Y front wheel just came completely off without any incident. On August 31st at 9 pm, I was driving home from a park when I just pulled the car into my driveway, I heard a strange squeaky noise from the front wheel area, followed by a huge "BAM ''. I started to turn my steering wheel, and by then, the vehicle felt "stuck'' as if something was preventing the car from... Read more
KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R EVO (2024) - FUEL SYSTEM, GASOLINE:STORAGE:EVAPORATIVE EMISSIONS:CANISTER Sep 9, 2024
Incident date: Sep 7, 2024
The contact owns a 2012 Chevrolet Cruze. The contact stated while driving at an undisclosed speed, the check engine warning light illuminated. The contact connected a diagnostic machine to the vehicle and retrieved a DTC code for a failure with the purge valve and the catalytic convertor. The contact replaced the purge valve; however, the failure reoccurred. The contact stated that several unknown... Read more
KTM 1290 SUPER DUKE R EVO (2024) - ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:EXHAUST SYSTEM:EMISSION CONTROL:CATALYTIC CONVERTOR Sep 9, 2024
Incident date: Sep 7, 2024
The contact owns a 2012 Chevrolet Cruze. The contact stated while driving at an undisclosed speed, the check engine warning light illuminated. The contact connected a diagnostic machine to the vehicle and retrieved a DTC code for a failure with the purge valve and the catalytic convertor. The contact replaced the purge valve; however, the failure reoccurred. The contact stated that several unknown... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2021) - STRUCTURE:FRAME AND MEMBERS Sep 5, 2024
Incident date: Jan 1, 2024
The contact owns a 2011 Ford F-150. The contact stated that there was rust on the side panels near the wheels and underneath. There were no warning lights illuminated. The local dealer was not contacted. The vehicle was not diagnosed or repaired. The vehicle was taken to an independent mechanic, who determined there was excessive rust on the subframe. There was no plug to drain the water. The manu... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2021) - ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING Sep 5, 2024
Incident date: Jan 1, 2024
The contact owns a 2017 Ford Fusion. The contact stated that while driving at approximately 35 MPH, the check engine warning light was illuminated. The contact drove the vehicle to a local dealer who diagnosed the vehicle and determined that coolant had leaked into the cylinders. The dealer recommended that the engine be replaced. The vehicle was not repaired. The manufacturer was informed of the ... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2023) - STRUCTURE:BODY Aug 27, 2024
Incident date: Aug 19, 2024
Toyota Tacoma 2006 TRD, This vehicle was recalled for rust to the frame on 10/03/2018. The frame was replaced by Sheehy Toyota of Fredericksburg, Virginia. The work was done and completed con 02/07/2019. The vehicle supposedly was thoroughly inspected for any problems by the dealership. Then released to me after the work was done. Then in November of 2019 I moved from Virginia to Nebraska. Used t... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2022) - ENGINE Aug 26, 2024
Incident date: Feb 13, 2024
The contact owns a 2017 Ford Edge. The contact stated while driving at an undisclosed speed, the check engine warning light illuminated. The vehicle was taken to an independent mechanic; however, the vehicle was not diagnosed. The vehicle was taken to the dealer where it was diagnosed with coolant intrusion and engine failure. The contact was informed that the engine needed to be replaced. The ve... Read more
KTM 890 ADVENTURE R (2023) - UNKNOWN OR OTHER Jun 2, 2024
Incident date: May 15, 2024
The vehicle's LCD screen has become delaminated which causes the control of the radio, air conditioning, navigation, and other features controlled by the "radio" portion of the car to become dysfunctional. The car will randomly beep, change air temperatures, start navigation, cause the loss of hands-free communication. This is a safety hazard as it causes the driver to be distracted in order to at... Read more
KTM 890 ADVENTURE R (2023) - POWER TRAIN Jun 2, 2024
Incident date: May 15, 2024
There is a problem with these vehicles made from 2012-2014. The car shakes and stutters at around the 40 MPH range. The shudder comes from the transmission, especially during the acceleration of the Camry models. It can be alarming for the driver and be a safety concern when the gears do not properly change during operation.
KTM 890 ADVENTURE R (2023) - ENGINE Jun 2, 2024
Incident date: May 15, 2024
Head Gasket Failure diagnosed by Honda city in New York. The purpose of the diagnostic was to address what I believed to be issues related to the ongoing Fuel Pump recall, as discussed with an American Honda representative prior to my visit. The symptoms I had been experiencing included intermittent stalling or loss of power, what prompted me to reach out immediately was an instance on a highway... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE (2019) - POWER TRAIN May 29, 2024
Incident date: May 26, 2024
The contact owns a 2019 Honda Accord. The contact stated while driving approximately 70 MPH, the vehicle lost motive power. The contact was able to pull over to the shoulder of the roadway and the vehicle was towed by a family member to the contact's residence. The vehicle was diagnosed by an independent mechanic, and it was determined that the pump kit had failed and needed to be replaced. The lo... Read more
KTM 790 ADVENTURE (2019) - UNKNOWN OR OTHER May 29, 2024
Incident date: May 26, 2024
5/18/24 in the afternoon, driving the car on freeway. the car lost power. AC stopped. Heat and check engine lights came on. Pulled car to shoulder. Driver’s window was foggy. Smoke coming from front. Exited the car. Flames seen underneath front of car and passenger compartment. Smoke worsened and within minutes 10 foot high flames engulfed the car. Fire department had to extinguish the flames. A... Read more
Fire
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2022) - FORWARD COLLISION AVOIDANCE: ADAPTIVE CRUISE CONTROL May 15, 2024
Incident date: May 15, 2024
1. My 90 year-old mother-in law got trapped inside the car in very bad weather because my phone key wouldn't open the door after I got out and walked her elderly friend to the door of her house about 20 feet away, and then walked back to the Tesla. I've been able to reproduce the problem repeatedly, of course without my mother-in-law in the car. 2. Several near-misses because, unlike most other... Read more
KTM 1290 SUPER ADVENTURE R (2021) - VEHICLE SPEED CONTROL Apr 13, 2024
Incident date: Apr 12, 2024
This car, like many Teslas, is experiencing what has been come to be known as phantom braking. When in the autopilot or full self driving, this car will occasionally to frequently, depending on the day, suddenly break where it will decelerate from say 65 mph to 45 or 50 in a very short period of time. This can happen in very busy traffic conditions. It seems to happen when I'm going faster rather ... Read more
KTM 1290 SUPER ADVENTURE R (2021) - UNKNOWN OR OTHER Apr 13, 2024
Incident date: Apr 12, 2024
Pre collision malfunction, RSA malfunction, LTA malfunction, Headlight malfunction. These warnings keep coming up showing the vehicle is not safe. Parts were ordered in February but are on back order. Might get by June. Vehicle has also rebooted the screens, tried to lane change, and failed to start once. To me this is a programming problem. This has been an on going problem for months now. The de... Read more
KTM 1290 SUPER ADVENTURE R (2021) - STRUCTURE:BODY Apr 13, 2024
Incident date: Apr 12, 2024
Spontaneous shattering of anterior sunroof at highway speeds with no cars around and not near overpasses. Shattered glass rained all throughout the vehicle and passengers. Sounded like a gunshot and the glass appeared to be bowed out.
KTM 790 ADVENTURE R (2022) - STEERING Apr 11, 2024
Incident date: Mar 27, 2024
I keep getting a “service shifter” message and all gears light up red. This has now happened about 15 times. I asked a dealership about it, but they said they would have to correct all of the wiring. I saw that many other jeep cherokee owners also experience this same issue and it does not go away.
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