Consumer Safety Complaints

Search 2,245,377 safety complaints filed by vehicle owners with NHTSA, including 140,173 crashes, 56,794 fires, and 8,580 deaths.

2,245,377 Total Complaints
140,173 Reported Crashes
56,794 Reported Fires
8,580 Reported Deaths

What is a NHTSA consumer complaint?

A consumer complaint is a free-form report filed by a vehicle owner directly to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) describing a safety concern about their vehicle. NHTSA collects these reports through its Vehicle Owner Defect Report (VOQ) system and publishes them publicly. Each complaint includes the affected component, the date and circumstances of the incident, whether the failure caused a crash or fire, and any reported injuries or deaths. The owner's full narrative description is included verbatim, NHTSA does not edit or moderate the descriptions.

The database below contains over 2,245,377 individual complaints. NHTSA's investigators monitor it for clusters of similar reports, when enough owners describe the same failure mode on the same vehicle, NHTSA may open a Preliminary Evaluation that can lead to a recall. Many of the largest recalls in U.S. history, including the Takata airbag recall and the Hyundai/Kia engine fire recalls, started as patterns visible in this complaint database years before they became formal recalls.

How to interpret what you read

A few principles for reading consumer complaints usefully:

  • One complaint is anecdote; a hundred similar complaints is data. NHTSA does not investigate the truthfulness of any individual report, that's the job of the Office of Defects Investigation, which looks at the full pattern. When evaluating a vehicle, look for whether multiple owners describe the same chain of events.
  • Crash, fire, injury, and death flags are owner-set. They are not verified by NHTSA. They are still useful as a filter, because owners who tick those boxes are typically reporting more serious incidents than those who don't.
  • Component categories are NHTSA-assigned, not owner-assigned. NHTSA standardizes the component field so that complaints can be aggregated. The owner narrative often goes into more detail than the component category captures.
  • Complaint volume scales with sales volume. A best-selling model will accumulate more raw complaints than a niche model even at the same defect rate. To compare across vehicles, look at complaints per 100,000 units sold, not raw counts.

If you've experienced a defect

File a complaint. NHTSA's investigators rely on this database to detect emerging defects, and useful complaints, specific, concrete, with dates and mileage and clear descriptions of what happened, feed directly into the agency's pattern detection. The form takes about 10 minutes and is at nhtsa.gov/recalls under "Report a Safety Problem." Your complaint becomes part of the same public record that this page is built from. Owners filing detailed VOQs are how recalls get triggered.

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JEEP CHEROKEE (2016) - FORWARD COLLISION AVOIDANCE: WARNINGS Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Oct 18, 2025
Pre-collision system became unavailable. System reported camera obstruction, but windshield was clear. Similar to issues in August 2025. August issue was temporary fixed via software update and reset at dealership. Suspect recurring software or physical issue with safety equipment.
JEEP CHEROKEE (2016) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Oct 18, 2025
COMPLAINT: 2025 HONDA ODYSSEY AUTO START/STOP SYSTEM FAILURE Component Failed: Auto start/stop system fails to restart engine after automatic shutdown. Vehicle available for inspection. Appears related to investigation INOA-EA25004-10033. Safety Risk: Vehicle has failed to restart approximately 12 times since May 2025, all at intersections with active traffic. When auto start/stop engages at stop... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER (2024) - SERVICE BRAKES Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 11, 2025
I purchased a 2024 dodge hornet RT February of 2025. Since purchasing the vehicle, I now have had issues where my breaks are screeching so loud that it is heard from my camera inside my house and blocks over from my street. I tried to address this issue with the Sterling Kunes location and they said nothing is wrong and offered to put a desqeak on it and they never did when they fixed my recalled ... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER (2024) - FORWARD COLLISION AVOIDANCE: WARNINGS Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 11, 2025
On November 17, 2025 at 8:25am, the collision happened while I was parking my vehicle into the parking spot at my work place. The vehicle allegedly failed to stop and unexpected accelerated and subsequently crashed into the wall. The impact caused significant damage to the front of the vehicle triggered airbags deployments and hurt my chest and forehead
Crash 1 injured
JEEP WRANGLER (2024) - SERVICE BRAKES Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 11, 2025
On November 17, 2025 at 8:25am, the collision happened while I was parking my vehicle into the parking spot at my work place. The vehicle allegedly failed to stop and unexpected accelerated and subsequently crashed into the wall. The impact caused significant damage to the front of the vehicle triggered airbags deployments and hurt my chest and forehead
Crash 1 injured
JEEP RENEGADE (2018) - STRUCTURE Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 19, 2025
The contact owns a 2019 Ford Flex. The contact received notifications of NHTSA Campaign Numbers: 24V951000 (BACK OVER PREVENTION) and 25V732000 (STRUCTURE); however, the parts to do the recall repairs were not yet available. The local dealer was contacted. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The manufacturer was made aware of the... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER (2020) - AIR BAGS Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 20, 2025
Cusumer choice automotive 1706 lower Roswell rd. Sold me a vehicle with a branded title with /knowledge it was a total loss vehicle now the ABS and traction lights or on the seatbelt deployed light is on air sensor light on and brakes or grinding I purchased on 10-4- 2025 this is November-20-2025 I asked for refund and to cancel they say as is not sure this is a wreck or flooded vehicle
JEEP WRANGLER (2020) - POWER TRAIN Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 20, 2025
My truck had engine failure while at the dealership getting new tires installed on 11/12/2025. When they started my truck they detected major knocking in my engine the 1st thing in the morning. It unsafe to drive they're telling me my engine needs to be replaced. My engine has 58,000 miles on it. There was no issues with my truck when I drop it off.
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2019) - FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Dec 1, 2024
I’ve experienced repeated electrical and mechanical issues with my 2022 Hyundai Tucson Hybrid. These include full battery drainage without engine activation (leaving me stranded), multiple warning lights, and recently a heater failure that remains unresolved. I’ve had over 8 service visits in two years, and Hyundai has not responded to my formal letter. A detailed timeline is available if need... Read more
JEEP COMPASS (2023) - STEERING Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 20, 2025
The contact owns a 2018 Ram 2500. The contact stated that the steering wheel was loose, causing the vehicle to wobble while driving over a minor bumpy road surface. The vehicle was taken to the dealer, where it was inspected, and the dealer determined that the welds of the nut to the adjuster sleeve were fractured. The contact stated that the vehicle was previously repaired under NHTSA Campaign Nu... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER (2024) - AIR BAGS Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Sep 17, 2025
The contact owns a 2018 Honda Ridgeline. The contact stated that while driving approximately 50-55 MPH on I-40 Westbound to I-25 and making a turn in a construction zone, the passenger’s side air bag deployed without warning or impact to the vehicle. There were no reported injuries. The air bag control message was displayed after the failure. Two days later, the system indicators produced a fail... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER (2024) - FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Sep 17, 2025
During a normal acceleration from an on-Ramp onto a major interstate a Check Engine Light (CEL) came on with warnings of safety features no longer being active. The vehicle begin vibrating abnormally and the pedal was not very responsive. I took the next exit and stopped at an auto parts store to have the engine code checked. Cylinder #2 misfired due to an injector issue. The vehicle was confirmed... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER (2024) - SEAT BELTS Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Sep 17, 2025
The contact owns a 2025 Hyundai Palisade. The contact received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 25V607000 (Seat Belts); however, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The contact stated that on a separate occasion, while trying to lock the seat belt, the seat belt failed to click and lock securely. The contact was unsure if the seat belt was secured. No warning lights were ... Read more
JEEP CHEROKEE (2014) - BACK OVER PREVENTION Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Oct 14, 2025
The contact owns a 2015 Ford Edge. The contact stated that the rearview camera displayed a black image while reversing. The message “Contact the Dealer” was displayed. The contact stated that the failure was intermittent. The contact received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 25V572000 (Back Over Prevention); however, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The local deale... Read more
JEEP GLADIATOR (2024) - Chest Clip, Buckle, Harness Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 20, 2025
Defect of front harness adjuster mechanism resulting in inability to tighten the straps. contact NUNA RAVA who gave me a cleaning kit that did not work. NUNA refusing to replace seat.
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2021) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 13, 2025
Car has lost power or gone into "limp mode" while driving on multiple occasions. Car was never listed under the fuel pump recall but had all associated symptoms & problems. Had to have fuel pumps replaced in December 2023 due to car not starting because of faulty fuel pumps. Car has been properly maintenced since purchased brand new in February 2018. currently around 121,000 miles. Car overheated ... Read more
JEEP WAGONEER (2024) - ENGINE Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 17, 2025
My 2020 model Acura MDX is experiencing unexpected engine shutdowns while braking during motion. The issue has been reported multiple times to the vehicle manufacturer and their authorized dealers; however, their responses have been consistently unhelpful and have not resolved the problem. I currently have an open complaint with American Honda Motor Co., Inc. since December 2023 Case Number: 14329... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2022) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 19, 2025
When DRIVING the center console screen begins to glitch. It will begin to move around and try to connect to the internet, begin to track navigation, connect to my phone and make calls, or it will just started moving back and forth from the different screens. It also makes sounds while it is glitching. It's incredibly distracting when I am trying to drive. There are a number of online forums that... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2022) - FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 19, 2025
As we were driving 50mph, the car stalled and lost all power. The dashboard lights all lit up and the car wouldn't start. I don't get unnerved easily and it was fairly intense not being able to move your car out of traffic. After about 5 mins, the car would start again only to stop a minute or so later. After taking the car to the dealer, the issue stemmed from the fuel pump electronics board gett... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2022) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 19, 2025
The contact owns a 2025 Hyundai Ioniq 5 N. The contact stated that while driving at 40 MPH, the service battery immediate warning light illuminated. A dealer was contacted. The vehicle was taken to the dealer because the ICCU unit needed to be replaced. The vehicle was not repaired. The manufacturer was not notified of the failure. The approximate failure mileage was 8,000.
JEEP WRANGLER (2021) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Jun 10, 2022
Traveling at approximately 45 mph through a green light at a 4-way intersection a car making a right on red turn turned into the outside lane in front of me. I had no warning sounds or automatic braking, to avoid a collision I had to steer to the left after an on coming car passed. There were no chimes or auto braking.I have had several instances similar with no alerts. My eyesight system has been... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER (2024) - POWER TRAIN Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Apr 1, 2024
6 months and 20,000 miles after purchasing the 2021 Chevy Silverado custom 4x4 with the 8 automatic transmission and the 2.7L turbo charged engine with 32,000 original miles on it from Volume Chevrolet in Forsyth GA I noticed the transmission was jerking when the truck was first crunk and warming up after about 10 minutes and once it got to 8 mph after a while when the temperature gauge was half w... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER (2024) - ENGINE Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Apr 1, 2024
We leased this vehicle in 2022. About 6 months into the lease the vehicle started acting like it was overheating. My stepdaughter took the car to a mechanic and they said the coolant system shows no signs of a leak. Periodically in the time she had the vehicle these symptoms would occur. Now in the summer of this year the engine seized. She was taking the vehicle to get oil changes on time except ... Read more
JEEP CHEROKEE (2019) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Jul 1, 2025
My 2024 Jeep Wrangler 4xe is currently subject to an active fire-risk battery recall with instructions to “park outside” and “do not charge.” There is no remedy available for my VIN at this time. The manufacturer states there is a risk of the high-voltage battery catching fire. In addition to the recall, the vehicle has exhibited violent, unsafe jolting movements during acceleration and n... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2019) - BACK OVER PREVENTION Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 14, 2025
The contact owns a 2018 Dodge Journey. The contact stated that while in reverse, the digital screen failed to display a rearview image as intended, and the image was distorted, flickered a black screen, or a signal error was displayed. No warning light was illuminated. The local dealer was contacted; however, the VIN was not under recall. The vehicle was not diagnosed or repaired due to the cost. ... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2019) - ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 14, 2025
The contact owns a 2019 BMW X5. The contact stated that while his wife was driving approximately 30-40 MPH, the message “Low Engine Oil” and to pull over to avoid engine destruction was displayed. The driver pulled over. The vehicle was towed to the dealer, where it was diagnosed, and determined that the internal parts of the oil filter made of plastic had deteriorated. The dealer determined t... Read more
JEEP GLADIATOR (2021) - STEERING Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 18, 2025
See attached document for complaint.
JEEP GLADIATOR (2021) - UNKNOWN OR OTHER Nov 20, 2025
Incident date: Nov 18, 2025
November 20, 2025 To the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) Office of Defects Investigation Subject: Safety Defect Complaint – Tesla Model S I am submitting this complaint regarding a serious and dangerous safety defect involving my Tesla Model S. Safety Defect Summary:    •   After the high-voltage battery failed, the vehicle would not enter Neutral.    • ... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2024) - AIR BAGS Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 8, 2025
I had my two Teslas parked in the garage. The model X was charging at about 1:30 AM. We heard explosions coming out of the garage. Went to check only to see my model X in flames. We evacuated and called 911 eventually a fire investigation report was made Showing the fire started within the vehicle outward. The battery pack was on fire. We had lithium contamination all over the house and this fire ... Read more
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JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2024) - SERVICE BRAKES Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 8, 2025
Was Delivered. Took for a test drive. Stalled at stop sign. Restarted went down the road stalled and slammed into park. Contacted company was told to take to local GMC/Chevy, (said they did a bunch of research and this part should work) basically guessing had my vehicle for 9 months replaced some sensor. Had my boyfriend Drove to red light, not even half a block, stall (stable track sensor) but lo... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2024) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 8, 2025
Was Delivered. Took for a test drive. Stalled at stop sign. Restarted went down the road stalled and slammed into park. Contacted company was told to take to local GMC/Chevy, (said they did a bunch of research and this part should work) basically guessing had my vehicle for 9 months replaced some sensor. Had my boyfriend Drove to red light, not even half a block, stall (stable track sensor) but lo... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE L (2023) - TIRES Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Dec 21, 2023
Tire blew out at low speed near residential area on the tire sidewall in a square shape approximately 3inches wide and 3inches long on each side. The blown out square area is still attached from the outer tire area like an open flap. The sidewall failed four inches in from the outer edge and ripped open. These was an Arizonian Silver Edition, all-season tire with the markings of M+5 205 / 65R16 95... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE L (2023) - TIRES Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Dec 21, 2023
Tire blew out at low speed near residential area on the tire sidewall in a square shape approximately 3inches wide and 3inches long on each side. The blown out square area is still attached from the outer tire area like an open flap. The sidewall failed four inches in from the outer edge and ripped open. These was an Arizonian Silver Edition, all-season tire with the markings of M+5 205 / 65R16 95... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE L (2023) - TIRES:SIDEWALL Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Dec 21, 2023
Tire blew out at low speed near residential area on the tire sidewall in a square shape approximately 3inches wide and 3inches long on each side. The blown out square area is still attached from the outer tire area like an open flap. The sidewall failed four inches in from the outer edge and ripped open. These was an Arizonian Silver Edition, all-season tire with the markings of M+5 205 / 65R16 95... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER (2024) - VISIBILITY/WIPER Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 19, 2025
All safety and driver-assistance systems on my 2022 Tesla Model 3 failed due to an internal short in the vehicle’s computer, as confirmed in writing by Tesla’s technician. All cameras (rear, side, front) are non-functional, navigation does not work, and all ADAS features (Autopilot, lane-keeping, collision warning, blind-spot monitoring, emergency braking, etc.) are disabled. The vehicle has ... Read more
JEEP CHEROKEE (2016) - ENGINE Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Oct 1, 2025
My 2018 Mazda 3 has an intermittent electrical failure on the high-speed CAN network that causes multiple safety-critical systems to fail while driving. When the fault occurs, the dash lights up with warnings for powertrain, ABS/traction, lane departure, collision-avoidance, TPMS, immobilizer, and the check-engine light. The car also hesitates or “lurches” between 15–30 mph during these even... Read more
JEEP CHEROKEE (2016) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Oct 1, 2025
My 2018 Mazda 3 has an intermittent electrical failure on the high-speed CAN network that causes multiple safety-critical systems to fail while driving. When the fault occurs, the dash lights up with warnings for powertrain, ABS/traction, lane departure, collision-avoidance, TPMS, immobilizer, and the check-engine light. The car also hesitates or “lurches” between 15–30 mph during these even... Read more
JEEP COMPASS (2018) - VISIBILITY Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 18, 2025
See attached document for complaint.
JEEP COMPASS (2018) - POWER TRAIN Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 18, 2025
I purchased this van in March 2025, it was used about 62000 miles, but dealer said it was in good condition, no issues. In September 2025, a battery light came on, that also activated the Start/Stop could not be used and needed service as well as Service Shifter. I brought the vehicle in and they simply replaced the auxiliary battery and sent me on my way. On November 13th, I was driving and a bat... Read more
JEEP COMPASS (2018) - ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 18, 2025
I purchased this van in March 2025, it was used about 62000 miles, but dealer said it was in good condition, no issues. In September 2025, a battery light came on, that also activated the Start/Stop could not be used and needed service as well as Service Shifter. I brought the vehicle in and they simply replaced the auxiliary battery and sent me on my way. On November 13th, I was driving and a bat... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2015) - STRUCTURE:BODY:DOOR Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 5, 2025
See attached document for complaint.
JEEP WRANGLER (2021) - ENGINE Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 19, 2025
The contact owns a 2020 Kia Sportage. The contact stated that while driving at an undisclosed speed, the vehicle inadvertently lost motive power. The contact was able to pull over to the shoulder of the roadway, where the failure persisted. The contact also stated that the vehicle required an oil change every month. The check engine warning light was illuminated. The vehicle was taken to an indepe... Read more
JEEP CHEROKEE (2019) - EQUIPMENT:APPLIANCE:AIR CONDITIONER Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 12, 2025
See attached document for complaint.
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2019) - POWER TRAIN Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Aug 11, 2025
This is in regards to toyota CSP 24TE04 and the Engine Bypass System. This was also included in a class action lawsuit that got dropped. Engine Bypass System is faulty and shows check engine requiring replacing of Bypass Valve and or wiring. According to 24TE04 it has been affecting over 2 million cars, but not all are being fairly covered. They need to include all models with this system that... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2019) - FORWARD COLLISION AVOIDANCE: AUTOMATIC EMERGENCY BRAKING Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Aug 11, 2025
- What component or system failed or malfunctioned, and is it available for inspection upon request? IGNITION SWITCH, TRACTION CONTROL, ABS, STEERING ANGLE SENSOR, STEERING ANGLE MODULE, MISFIRE CYLINDER 3, TPMS SENSOR LIGHT WITH NO TPMS FAILURES, SHIFTER WILL NOT MOVE WITHOUT FORCE OR HAVING TO TRY AND ENGAUGE THAT GEAR MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE GOING INTO GEAR AND BLINKERS IN-OP. "SERVICE ADVANCE T... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2019) - STEERING Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Aug 11, 2025
- What component or system failed or malfunctioned, and is it available for inspection upon request? IGNITION SWITCH, TRACTION CONTROL, ABS, STEERING ANGLE SENSOR, STEERING ANGLE MODULE, MISFIRE CYLINDER 3, TPMS SENSOR LIGHT WITH NO TPMS FAILURES, SHIFTER WILL NOT MOVE WITHOUT FORCE OR HAVING TO TRY AND ENGAUGE THAT GEAR MULTIPLE TIMES BEFORE GOING INTO GEAR AND BLINKERS IN-OP. "SERVICE ADVANCE T... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER 4XE (2024) - POWER TRAIN Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 13, 2025
THE 2021HYUNDAI PALISADE AT A FOUR WAY LIGHT STOP BUSY INTERSECTION. UPON GIVING HAS AND MAKING THE LEFT TURN FROM CIMMIRON UNTO SARATOGA BLVD THE VEHICLE WAS MAKING A CLUNKING NOISE LIKE IF VEHICLE IN 4WD BUT THE VEHICLE IS AN AWD AND IT LOSS LIKE POWER IN THE MIDDLE OF THE INTERSECTION ALMOST REAR ENDED AND HIT BY ANOTHER VEHICLE BECAUSE THE LIGHT BEGUN TO CHANGE. TOOK THE VEHICLE TO HYUNDAI AND... Read more
JEEP WRANGLER 4XE (2024) - UNKNOWN OR OTHER Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 13, 2025
I was driving down the interstate when my Warning Transmission Failure light came on. Then another message said you can drive with limited use if vehicle. Seconds later the Warning Transmission Failure light came on again and said drive to your nearest repair shop. Moments later the Warning came on and said safely stop your vehicle. I pulled over on the side of the road and pit my car in park. Aft... Read more
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2015) - ENGINE Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 10, 2025
The Cyclinder Head cracked. This could cause the engine to fail, and leaving the driver on the highway or other unsafe locations of travel. The certified repair shop along with the insurance adjuster advised it was a manufacturing defect. The warning sign was an oil burning smell inside the vehicle while stationary and inside the garage.
JEEP GRAND CHEROKEE (2015) - SEATS Nov 19, 2025
Incident date: Nov 10, 2025
The headrest on the third row is locked in the upright position and won't fold down. I've looked online and it seems to happen in every ford explorer in the current generation, 2020+. I see hundreds of complaints online. Across the forums and reddit.
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