Consumer Safety Complaints

Search 2,215,138 safety complaints filed by vehicle owners with NHTSA — including 138,663 crashes, 56,255 fires, and 8,561 deaths.

2,215,138 Total Complaints
138,663 Reported Crashes
56,255 Reported Fires
8,561 Reported Deaths

What is a NHTSA consumer complaint?

A consumer complaint is a free-form report filed by a vehicle owner directly to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) describing a safety concern about their vehicle. NHTSA collects these reports through its Vehicle Owner Defect Report (VOQ) system and publishes them publicly. Each complaint includes the affected component, the date and circumstances of the incident, whether the failure caused a crash or fire, and any reported injuries or deaths. The owner's full narrative description is included verbatim — NHTSA does not edit or moderate the descriptions.

The database below contains over 2,215,138 individual complaints. NHTSA's investigators monitor it for clusters of similar reports — when enough owners describe the same failure mode on the same vehicle, NHTSA may open a Preliminary Evaluation that can lead to a recall. Many of the largest recalls in U.S. history, including the Takata airbag recall and the Hyundai/Kia engine fire recalls, started as patterns visible in this complaint database years before they became formal recalls.

How to interpret what you read

A few principles for reading consumer complaints usefully:

  • One complaint is anecdote; a hundred similar complaints is data. NHTSA does not investigate the truthfulness of any individual report — that's the job of the Office of Defects Investigation, which looks at the full pattern. When evaluating a vehicle, look for whether multiple owners describe the same chain of events.
  • Crash, fire, injury, and death flags are owner-set. They are not verified by NHTSA. They are still useful as a filter, because owners who tick those boxes are typically reporting more serious incidents than those who don't.
  • Component categories are NHTSA-assigned, not owner-assigned. NHTSA standardizes the component field so that complaints can be aggregated. The owner narrative often goes into more detail than the component category captures.
  • Complaint volume scales with sales volume. A best-selling model will accumulate more raw complaints than a niche model even at the same defect rate. To compare across vehicles, look at complaints per 100,000 units sold, not raw counts.

If you've experienced a defect

File a complaint. NHTSA's investigators rely on this database to detect emerging defects, and useful complaints — specific, concrete, with dates and mileage and clear descriptions of what happened — feed directly into the agency's pattern detection. The form takes about 10 minutes and is at nhtsa.gov/recalls under "Report a Safety Problem." Your complaint becomes part of the same public record that this page is built from. Owners filing detailed VOQs are how recalls get triggered.

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CHRYSLER 300 (2012) — POWER TRAIN:AUTOMATIC TRANSMISSION Jun 17, 2022
Incident date: Jun 8, 2022
The contact owns a 2012 Chrysler 300. The contact stated that while driving approximately 30 MPH, the vehicle unintendedly downshifted and stalled. The contact shifted the vehicle into park(P) and restarted the vehicle however, the engine revved but the vehicle failed to move forward. The vehicle was towed the residence. The following day the vehicle started and drove as designed; however, the veh... Read more
CHRYSLER 200 (2017) — FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 16, 2022
Incident date: Jun 13, 2022
While driving down the interstate my car jumped a little then I could not go above 20 miles and hour. Once I arrived to a safe location I turned off my engine and then restarted. It seemed ok, but during the incident there was a flash on my dash that said "CHECK THROTTLE". I took it to a service station and they ran a code check on the vehicle. They stated the following: 1. ECM (Engine Control Mo... Read more
CHRYSLER 200 (2017) — ENGINE Jun 16, 2022
Incident date: Jun 13, 2022
While driving down the interstate my car jumped a little then I could not go above 20 miles and hour. Once I arrived to a safe location I turned off my engine and then restarted. It seemed ok, but during the incident there was a flash on my dash that said "CHECK THROTTLE". I took it to a service station and they ran a code check on the vehicle. They stated the following: 1. ECM (Engine Control Mo... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2017) — ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Jun 16, 2022
Incident date: Jun 6, 2022
The contact owns a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. The contact stated that while turning either left or right, the steering wheel seized. The contact stated that the failure was related to NHTSA Campaign Number: 19V348000 (Electrical System) however, the VIN was not included. The contact then received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 22V077000 (Hybrid Propulsion System) however, the part to d... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2017) — HYBRID PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 16, 2022
Incident date: Jun 6, 2022
The contact owns a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. The contact stated that while turning either left or right, the steering wheel seized. The contact stated that the failure was related to NHTSA Campaign Number: 19V348000 (Electrical System) however, the VIN was not included. The contact then received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 22V077000 (Hybrid Propulsion System) however, the part to d... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2018) — HYBRID PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 15, 2022
Incident date: Jun 15, 2022
The contact owns a 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. The contact received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 22V077000 (Hybrid Propulsion System) however, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The local dealer was contacted. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The manufacturer was not made aware of the issue. T... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — ENGINE Jun 15, 2022
Incident date: Apr 15, 2022
The contact owns a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica. The contact stated while driving 30 MPH, the check engine warning light illuminated with smoke coming from the exhaust. The contact stated that she continued driving however, later in the day the vehicle failed to start. The vehicle was towed to an independent mechanic who stated that coolant was leaking into the gasket and the engine needed to be replace... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Jun 15, 2022
Incident date: Jun 14, 2022
The vehicle stalled on the road in the middle of an intersection and then again in a turn lane a few hours later in the same day. The car was in drive, rumbled near the front of the vehicle, lurched forward, and then the engine cut out and would not restart. Trying to start the car again made a REVVVVVV-putta-putta-putta noise and there was not any control of the ignition on my end. It revved up... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 15, 2022
Incident date: Jun 14, 2022
The vehicle stalled on the road in the middle of an intersection and then again in a turn lane a few hours later in the same day. The car was in drive, rumbled near the front of the vehicle, lurched forward, and then the engine cut out and would not restart. Trying to start the car again made a REVVVVVV-putta-putta-putta noise and there was not any control of the ignition on my end. It revved up... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — ENGINE Jun 15, 2022
Incident date: Jun 14, 2022
The vehicle stalled on the road in the middle of an intersection and then again in a turn lane a few hours later in the same day. The car was in drive, rumbled near the front of the vehicle, lurched forward, and then the engine cut out and would not restart. Trying to start the car again made a REVVVVVV-putta-putta-putta noise and there was not any control of the ignition on my end. It revved up... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2018) — STEERING Jun 15, 2022
Incident date: Jun 14, 2022
On multiple occasions over the last 2 weeks the steering will lock up while driving. This is happening at different speeds and different locations. The steering wheel locks up and takes a few seconds to free up. This vehicle is unsafe for my family, because at any given time the steering could cause us to crash. Their is no warning lights or anything that come on.
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2016) — UNKNOWN OR OTHER Jun 15, 2022
Incident date: Jun 15, 2022
The actuators on both sliding doors were replaced by a Chrysler dealership under a recent recall. Both doors had been having problems locking and unlocking. The actuator on the passenger sliding door had to be replaced twice, but the door continued having issues with getting stuck in the locked position. We could not unlock or open it manually or electronically. Chrysler and the dealership continu... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2018) — ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Jun 14, 2022
Incident date: Jun 10, 2022
On 06/10/2022, the Uconnect system began to randomly reboot including within 30 to 60 seconds of starting the vehicle. If in reverse during a reboot of the system , the rear cross traffic sensors no longer provide alerts and the rear camera is disabled while the system reboots. The system then reboots every 2 to 4 minutes after. Additionally, the GPS no longer accepts coordinates for navigation, c... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2018) — BACK OVER PREVENTION: REARVIEW SYSTEM BRAKING Jun 14, 2022
Incident date: Jun 10, 2022
On 06/10/2022, the Uconnect system began to randomly reboot including within 30 to 60 seconds of starting the vehicle. If in reverse during a reboot of the system , the rear cross traffic sensors no longer provide alerts and the rear camera is disabled while the system reboots. The system then reboots every 2 to 4 minutes after. Additionally, the GPS no longer accepts coordinates for navigation, c... Read more
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2014) — STRUCTURE Jun 14, 2022
Incident date: Jun 11, 2022
The contact's mother owns a 2014 Chrysler Town and Country modified for wheelchair accessibility. The contact stated while driving 55-65 MPH, he smelled an abnormal burning odor. There were no warning lights illuminated. The contact opened the windows, drove to his residence, and parked the vehicle. The contact then noticed a trail of fluid on the ground. The contact stated that the fluid was comi... Read more
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2014) — ENGINE AND ENGINE COOLING:COOLING SYSTEM:HOSES/LINES/PIPING/FITTINGS Jun 14, 2022
Incident date: Jun 11, 2022
The contact's mother owns a 2014 Chrysler Town and Country modified for wheelchair accessibility. The contact stated while driving 55-65 MPH, he smelled an abnormal burning odor. There were no warning lights illuminated. The contact opened the windows, drove to his residence, and parked the vehicle. The contact then noticed a trail of fluid on the ground. The contact stated that the fluid was comi... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2018) — HYBRID PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 13, 2022
Incident date: Jun 1, 2022
The contact owns a 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. The contact received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 22V077000 (Hybrid Propulsion System) however, the part to do the recall repair was unavailable. The local dealer was contacted and it was confirmed that the part was not yet available. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. ... Read more
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2016) — ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Jun 13, 2022
Incident date: Oct 21, 2021
The contact owns a 2016 Chrysler Town and Country. The contact stated that the vehicle occasionally lost motive power without warning. The contact stated that the failure occurred occasionally while driving or while idling. The contact stated that the vehicle would restart after waiting for several minutes. The vehicle was taken to the dealer where no failure was diagnosed however, the dealer advi... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2018) — HYBRID PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 13, 2022
Incident date: Jun 1, 2022
The contact owns a 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. The contact received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 22V077000 (Hybrid Propulsion System) however, the part to do the recall repair was unavailable. The local dealer was contacted and it was confirmed that the part was not yet available. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. ... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2019) — ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Jun 13, 2022
Incident date: Jun 11, 2022
The contact owns a 2019 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. The contact stated that while idling at a stop light, the “Service Charging System" message displayed and the vehicle independently shifted to park(P) and became undrivable. The vehicle was towed to the local dealer. The cause of the failure was not yet determined. The contact indicated that the vehicle was previously serviced for a similar failu... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 12, 2022
Incident date: Jun 12, 2022
Driving down the road and suddenly engine shut off without warning, lost power immediately, RPMs went to zero, dash said "Shift to Park." Tried to pull over, didn't get completely out of the way because no power from engine so car had to swerve around us. Shifted to park, tried to restart, didn't work until third time to restart car so that I could drive home. Ridiculously unsafe for the car engin... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — ENGINE Jun 12, 2022
Incident date: Jun 12, 2022
Driving down the road and suddenly engine shut off without warning, lost power immediately, RPMs went to zero, dash said "Shift to Park." Tried to pull over, didn't get completely out of the way because no power from engine so car had to swerve around us. Shifted to park, tried to restart, didn't work until third time to restart car so that I could drive home. Ridiculously unsafe for the car engin... Read more
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2015) — SEATS Jun 12, 2022
Incident date: Jun 11, 2022
Was driving down the road and the front passenger seat headrest blew apart for no reason at all
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2022) — UNKNOWN OR OTHER Jun 10, 2022
Incident date: May 13, 2022
Uconnect system not working correctly. Cannot turn off climate control, Cannot get fire tvs to work reliably, no dvd player like we ordered, Uconnect and fire tvs cut out,Cannot change radio stations on steering wheel or volume, onily works when it wants to. Problem is when your driving on freeway and its not working it causes you to fight with it and pull over shut off the van and restart this c... Read more
CHRYSLER SEBRING (2000) — FORWARD COLLISION AVOIDANCE: AUTOMATIC EMERGENCY BRAKING Jun 10, 2022
Incident date: Jun 10, 2022
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CHRYSLER SEBRING (2000) — SERVICE BRAKES Jun 10, 2022
Incident date: Jun 10, 2022
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CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2021) — UNKNOWN OR OTHER Jun 10, 2022
Incident date: Jun 9, 2022
While driving on the interstate at 65mph, the vehicle suddenly beeped, showed a “service charging system” warning and simultaneously lost propulsion. Pressing the gas pedal did nothing, so I had to coast over to the shoulder. My attempts to restart the vehicle were unsuccessful for a few minutes, but then it did restart and I was able to get off the freeway. It was an extremely dangerous situa... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2021) — FUEL/PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 10, 2022
Incident date: Jun 9, 2022
While driving on the interstate at 65mph, the vehicle suddenly beeped, showed a “service charging system” warning and simultaneously lost propulsion. Pressing the gas pedal did nothing, so I had to coast over to the shoulder. My attempts to restart the vehicle were unsuccessful for a few minutes, but then it did restart and I was able to get off the freeway. It was an extremely dangerous situa... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2018) — HYBRID PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 9, 2022
Incident date: Feb 11, 2022
The contact owns a 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. The contact received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 22V077000 (Hybrid Propulsion System) however, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The dealer was made aware of the issue and confirmed that parts were not yet availa... Read more
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2012) — ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Jun 9, 2022
Incident date: May 3, 2022
Rear drivers sliding door constantly opens and closes, luckily not when the car is in drive. Had a new key fob made with no satisfied results. Chrysler dealer tech found codes loosing signal. Also key fob will not open or unlock car doors, needed to use a key to operate. [XXX] E-mail: [XXX] Thank you for any info on this problem. INFORMATION Redacted PURSUANT TO THE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION ACT ... Read more
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2012) — ENGINE Jun 9, 2022
Incident date: Apr 29, 2022
2012 Chrysler Town&Country My 2012 Town and Country has randomly stopped on me three times in April and May of 2022. The car shuts off completely for no apparent reason. The car will not start again until put into park. This was unsafe because I had no control of the car until it rolled to a stop. Fortunately, each time the hazard lights responded and cars behind me went around. The very scary pa... Read more
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2012) — STEERING Jun 9, 2022
Incident date: Apr 29, 2022
2012 Chrysler Town&Country My 2012 Town and Country has randomly stopped on me three times in April and May of 2022. The car shuts off completely for no apparent reason. The car will not start again until put into park. This was unsafe because I had no control of the car until it rolled to a stop. Fortunately, each time the hazard lights responded and cars behind me went around. The very scary pa... Read more
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2012) — SERVICE BRAKES Jun 9, 2022
Incident date: Apr 29, 2022
2012 Chrysler Town&Country My 2012 Town and Country has randomly stopped on me three times in April and May of 2022. The car shuts off completely for no apparent reason. The car will not start again until put into park. This was unsafe because I had no control of the car until it rolled to a stop. Fortunately, each time the hazard lights responded and cars behind me went around. The very scary pa... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — STEERING Jun 8, 2022
Incident date: Jun 8, 2022
6-8-22 Driving roughly 15 MPH through town square and screen said "shift to P" could not steer and vehicle shut off. No other warning lights or messages were displayed. Has not had any precious similar issues. I put it in park,turn the vehicle off and restarted it. Started fine.
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — POWER TRAIN Jun 8, 2022
Incident date: Jun 8, 2022
6-8-22 Driving roughly 15 MPH through town square and screen said "shift to P" could not steer and vehicle shut off. No other warning lights or messages were displayed. Has not had any precious similar issues. I put it in park,turn the vehicle off and restarted it. Started fine.
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — ENGINE Jun 8, 2022
Incident date: Jun 8, 2022
6-8-22 Driving roughly 15 MPH through town square and screen said "shift to P" could not steer and vehicle shut off. No other warning lights or messages were displayed. Has not had any precious similar issues. I put it in park,turn the vehicle off and restarted it. Started fine.
CHRYSLER 200 (2013) — AIR BAGS Jun 8, 2022
Incident date: Jun 7, 2022
The contact owns a 2013 Chrysler 200. The contact stated that while driving at 45 MPH, the driver’s and passenger’s seat headrests were deployed without warning. The contact called the dealer and was provided an estimate for the repair. The manufacturer was not notified of the failure. Upon investigation, the contact discovered NHTSA Campaign Number: 17V640000 (Seats, Air Bags) which he linked... Read more
CHRYSLER 200 (2013) — SEATS Jun 8, 2022
Incident date: Jun 7, 2022
The contact owns a 2013 Chrysler 200. The contact stated that while driving at 45 MPH, the driver’s and passenger’s seat headrests were deployed without warning. The contact called the dealer and was provided an estimate for the repair. The manufacturer was not notified of the failure. Upon investigation, the contact discovered NHTSA Campaign Number: 17V640000 (Seats, Air Bags) which he linked... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — ENGINE Jun 8, 2022
Incident date: Jun 7, 2022
The contact owns a 2017 Chrysler Pacifica. The contact stated while driving 18 MPH and approaching a stop sign and depressing the brake pedal, she began to hear an abnormal noise and the vehicle stalled. The contact stated no warning light was illuminated. The contact was able to restart the vehicle after 8 minutes and drove to her destination. The contact called an independent mechanic and made t... Read more
CHRYSLER 200 (2015) — ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Jun 7, 2022
Incident date: May 31, 2022
The contact owns a 2015 Chrysler 200. The contact stated while driving 55 MPH, the instrument panel lights started blinking. The contact merged to the right lane and the vehicle stalled and lost electrical power. The contact was unable to restart the vehicle after several attempts. The vehicle was towed to the residence. The contact was able to jumpstart the vehicle. The vehicle was taken to an in... Read more
CHRYSLER 300 (2014) — POWER TRAIN Jun 7, 2022
Incident date: Jun 7, 2022
Tried to out my car in park but it went to neutral instead.. .happened multiple times.
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2020) — TIRES:TREAD/BELT Jun 7, 2022
Incident date: Apr 25, 2022
My tire size is 245/50 R 20. At 39,106 miles I had a bulge in the side of my front passenger tire. I had the tire replaced at the dealership. The cost was covered by my extended warranty with road hazard. A month later at 40,468, I had a bulge in the rear passenger tire. I went immediately to the dealership. They did not have the Falken tires in stock or available from their suppliers. My remainin... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2020) — TIRES:SIDEWALL Jun 7, 2022
Incident date: Apr 25, 2022
My tire size is 245/50 R 20. At 39,106 miles I had a bulge in the side of my front passenger tire. I had the tire replaced at the dealership. The cost was covered by my extended warranty with road hazard. A month later at 40,468, I had a bulge in the rear passenger tire. I went immediately to the dealership. They did not have the Falken tires in stock or available from their suppliers. My remainin... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA PLUG-IN HYBRID (2018) — HYBRID PROPULSION SYSTEM Jun 7, 2022
Incident date: Feb 11, 2022
The contact owns a 2018 Chrysler Pacifica Hybrid. The contact received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 22V077000 (Hybrid Propulsion System) however, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The dealer was made aware of the issue and confirmed that parts were not yet availa... Read more
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2021) — ENGINE Jun 6, 2022
Incident date: Jun 1, 2022
Driving on the freeway without any noticeable trigger, the engine stalls. A message comes up saying shift to P to start. Pressing the accelerator doesn't do anything. Only think I can do is coast to the shoulder. After turning off the car and turning the car back on, the car worked fine. This has happened to me 3 times in the last month all going highway speeds.
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2016) — UNKNOWN OR OTHER Jun 6, 2022
Incident date: Jun 6, 2022
Sliding door suddenly and without warning fails to unlock or open. Whether attempts are made electronically nor manually, the door cannot be unlatched and therfore cannot be opened from the inside or outside creating a serious safety risk in the event of an accident or any reason for a speedy exit
CHRYSLER 200 (2014) — ENGINE Jun 6, 2022
Incident date: Nov 22, 2019
My wife and daughters almost died in a car accident due to the apparent failure of this vehicle. We were driving on an HWY at night and the car just died out of nowhere. Dash started to flash and just died. We initially thought that it was the mechanic that had just fixed the car but after an investigation concluded that it was not anything they could have done. My family sustained life-threatenin... Read more
Crash 3 injured
CHRYSLER 200 (2014) — ELECTRICAL SYSTEM Jun 6, 2022
Incident date: Nov 22, 2019
My wife and daughters almost died in a car accident due to the apparent failure of this vehicle. We were driving on an HWY at night and the car just died out of nowhere. Dash started to flash and just died. We initially thought that it was the mechanic that had just fixed the car but after an investigation concluded that it was not anything they could have done. My family sustained life-threatenin... Read more
Crash 3 injured
CHRYSLER 200 (2014) — AIR BAGS Jun 6, 2022
Incident date: Nov 22, 2019
My wife and daughters almost died in a car accident due to the apparent failure of this vehicle. We were driving on an HWY at night and the car just died out of nowhere. Dash started to flash and just died. We initially thought that it was the mechanic that had just fixed the car but after an investigation concluded that it was not anything they could have done. My family sustained life-threatenin... Read more
Crash 3 injured
CHRYSLER PACIFICA (2017) — ENGINE Jun 6, 2022
Incident date: Jun 4, 2022
The vehicle shut off while driving at a slow speed, 10 - 15 mph. Lost complete power to vehicle as we where making our way through an intersection, it was very difficult to steer and maneuver. We made it across but only to put those behind me at risk. Panicked, I had not realized that on screen a message appeared on the instrument cluster, Put in Park and Start. The vehicle started right up and... Read more
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