Consumer Safety Complaints

Search 2,215,138 safety complaints filed by vehicle owners with NHTSA — including 138,663 crashes, 56,255 fires, and 8,561 deaths.

2,215,138 Total Complaints
138,663 Reported Crashes
56,255 Reported Fires
8,561 Reported Deaths

What is a NHTSA consumer complaint?

A consumer complaint is a free-form report filed by a vehicle owner directly to the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA) describing a safety concern about their vehicle. NHTSA collects these reports through its Vehicle Owner Defect Report (VOQ) system and publishes them publicly. Each complaint includes the affected component, the date and circumstances of the incident, whether the failure caused a crash or fire, and any reported injuries or deaths. The owner's full narrative description is included verbatim — NHTSA does not edit or moderate the descriptions.

The database below contains over 2,215,138 individual complaints. NHTSA's investigators monitor it for clusters of similar reports — when enough owners describe the same failure mode on the same vehicle, NHTSA may open a Preliminary Evaluation that can lead to a recall. Many of the largest recalls in U.S. history, including the Takata airbag recall and the Hyundai/Kia engine fire recalls, started as patterns visible in this complaint database years before they became formal recalls.

How to interpret what you read

A few principles for reading consumer complaints usefully:

  • One complaint is anecdote; a hundred similar complaints is data. NHTSA does not investigate the truthfulness of any individual report — that's the job of the Office of Defects Investigation, which looks at the full pattern. When evaluating a vehicle, look for whether multiple owners describe the same chain of events.
  • Crash, fire, injury, and death flags are owner-set. They are not verified by NHTSA. They are still useful as a filter, because owners who tick those boxes are typically reporting more serious incidents than those who don't.
  • Component categories are NHTSA-assigned, not owner-assigned. NHTSA standardizes the component field so that complaints can be aggregated. The owner narrative often goes into more detail than the component category captures.
  • Complaint volume scales with sales volume. A best-selling model will accumulate more raw complaints than a niche model even at the same defect rate. To compare across vehicles, look at complaints per 100,000 units sold, not raw counts.

If you've experienced a defect

File a complaint. NHTSA's investigators rely on this database to detect emerging defects, and useful complaints — specific, concrete, with dates and mileage and clear descriptions of what happened — feed directly into the agency's pattern detection. The form takes about 10 minutes and is at nhtsa.gov/recalls under "Report a Safety Problem." Your complaint becomes part of the same public record that this page is built from. Owners filing detailed VOQs are how recalls get triggered.

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Showing 44,568 complaints — component: TIRES

FALKEN FALKEN (9999) — TIRES Jun 29, 2024
Incident date: Jun 29, 2024
All 4 tires is less then 4 years old made on same date one tire has separate completely around the bead the others has started doing the same thing this car was my late wife’s car and I gave it to my daughter and she really takes care of it all maintenance is kept up that is how I found the problem doing a break job on the car it looks like someone took a knife and cut the bead perfectly around ... Read more
FALKEN FALKEN (9999) — TIRES Jun 29, 2024
Incident date: Jun 29, 2024
All 4 tires is less then 4 years old made on same date one tire has separate completely around the bead the others has started doing the same thing this car was my late wife’s car and I gave it to my daughter and she really takes care of it all maintenance is kept up that is how I found the problem doing a break job on the car it looks like someone took a knife and cut the bead perfectly around ... Read more
KIA SPORTAGE HYBRID (2023) — TIRES Jun 29, 2024
Incident date: Jun 28, 2024
Bridgestone Turanza Quiet Track Tires bought 2 April 2023, and 2 in July 2023 at Discount Tire.I has to replace all 4 today with than half (20,000) of the 80,000 mile tread wear. A ripoff and dangerous. I was notified by sales rep that Bridgestone knows these tires are not for the hot climate. I live in Conroe, Texas.
ACTRON GAUGE KIT (9999) — TIRES Jun 29, 2024
Incident date: Jun 29, 2024
Bridgestone Turanza Quiet Track Tires bought 2 April 2023, and 2 in July 2023 at Discount Tire.I has to replace all 4 today with than half (20,000) of the 80,000 mile tread wear. A ripoff and dangerous. I was notified by sales rep that Bridgestone knows these tires are not for the hot climate. I live in Conroe, Texas.
KIA OPTIMA (2016) — TIRES Jun 29, 2024
Incident date: Mar 15, 2024
My five-month new Tesla Model Y tire blowout without any alert before it happened. The tire is original Pirelli Scorpion 255 / 45 / R19. Last week while I was driving at around 70 mph on a three-lane freeway. All of a sudden, I felt someone is dragging my wheels to the left. I was totally astonished. My first reaction was to hold my wheels. Within a few seconds I was totally out of control an... Read more
RAM 2500 (2018) — TIRES Jun 29, 2024
Incident date: Jun 27, 2024
My five-month new Tesla Model Y tire blowout without any alert before it happened. The tire is original Pirelli Scorpion 255 / 45 / R19. Last week while I was driving at around 70 mph on a three-lane freeway. All of a sudden, I felt someone is dragging my wheels to the left. I was totally astonished. My first reaction was to hold my wheels. Within a few seconds I was totally out of control an... Read more
TOYOTA RAV4 (2019) — TIRES Jun 28, 2024
Incident date: Mar 10, 2023
The contact owns a 2023 Mini Cooper. The contact stated that since owning the vehicle, all four tires had been replaced several times due to each tire running flat. The vehicle was taken to a dealer where a mechanic informed the contact that the tire failure could be linked to the weight of the vehicle. The contact also stated that the vehicle failed to reach the full battery charge. The contact s... Read more
BMW 328I (2011) — TIRES Jun 28, 2024
Incident date: Mar 1, 2024
215/55-17 Driving a brand new 2024 Toyota Camry with the OEM Bridgestone Tires on a smooth road at normal speed. Tire exploded and went flat. My safety and others were at risk but fortunately I was able to keep control of the car. Bridgestone is unwilling to honor the warranty
HONDA CR-V (2018) — TIRES Jun 28, 2024
Incident date: Jun 28, 2024
215/55-17 Driving a brand new 2024 Toyota Camry with the OEM Bridgestone Tires on a smooth road at normal speed. Tire exploded and went flat. My safety and others were at risk but fortunately I was able to keep control of the car. Bridgestone is unwilling to honor the warranty
TESLA MODEL X (2024) — TIRES Jun 28, 2024
Incident date: Jun 2, 2024
The contact owns a 2019 Ford F-150 equipped with Michelin Tires, Tire Line: Defender LTX, Tire Size: 275/65/R18, DOT Number: [XXX] . The contact stated that after a visual inspection, he observed that the front passenger’s side tire rib was cracked and separating from the tire body, exposing the steel belts. The vehicle was taken to the dealer, who was unable to diagnose the failure but determin... Read more
FORD ESCAPE (2017) — TIRES Jun 28, 2024
Incident date: May 15, 2024
The contact owns a 2019 Ford F-150 equipped with Michelin Tires, Tire Line: Defender LTX, Tire Size: 275/65/R18, DOT Number: [XXX] . The contact stated that after a visual inspection, he observed that the front passenger’s side tire rib was cracked and separating from the tire body, exposing the steel belts. The vehicle was taken to the dealer, who was unable to diagnose the failure but determin... Read more
FORD EXPLORER (2020) — TIRES Jun 28, 2024
Incident date: Jun 1, 2024
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 295/30 ZR 21 102Y extra load Purchased Oct 2021, estimated 12,000 miles on vehicle and tire. Tire split along inside corner, nearly all the way around the tire. No warning, instant loss of pressure. No significant wear on the outside corner or the tread. Previously happened earlier in the year on the passenger side rear tire.
CHRYSLER SEBRING (2010) — TIRES Jun 28, 2024
Incident date: Jun 22, 2024
Michelin Pilot Sport 4S 295/30 ZR 21 102Y extra load Purchased Oct 2021, estimated 12,000 miles on vehicle and tire. Tire split along inside corner, nearly all the way around the tire. No warning, instant loss of pressure. No significant wear on the outside corner or the tread. Previously happened earlier in the year on the passenger side rear tire.
MICHELIN CROSSCLIMATE (9999) — TIRES Jun 26, 2024
Incident date: Feb 20, 2024
215/55R17 94V BSW. . Contacted Michelin about two (2) of the four (4) tires DO Not have the date of manufacture on side wall. These tires are direction specific. They should known that. Maybe the date of manufacture is on the inside wall but they should known the the tire is DIRECTIONAL and be on Both sides. I am not going to jack up my vehicle and remove the tire to check the code (IF it i... Read more
FORD EXPEDITION (2018) — TIRES Jun 26, 2024
Incident date: Jan 26, 2024
215/55R17 94V BSW. . Contacted Michelin about two (2) of the four (4) tires DO Not have the date of manufacture on side wall. These tires are direction specific. They should known that. Maybe the date of manufacture is on the inside wall but they should known the the tire is DIRECTIONAL and be on Both sides. I am not going to jack up my vehicle and remove the tire to check the code (IF it i... Read more
BUICK ENCLAVE (2008) — TIRES Jun 25, 2024
Incident date: Jun 22, 2024
St235 80/R16 Today a tire under proper pressure blew traveling with a 30% load at 70mph. The tire split from the rim to the tread causing the tire and tread to fail. The trailer was less than a year old and around 5000 miles on the tires. Tires are checked for wear and proper inflation pressure with each trip. This is the second tire from this trailer that has failed. The first the belt fa... Read more
BUICK ENCLAVE (2008) — TIRES Jun 25, 2024
Incident date: Jun 22, 2024
St235 80/R16 Today a tire under proper pressure blew traveling with a 30% load at 70mph. The tire split from the rim to the tread causing the tire and tread to fail. The trailer was less than a year old and around 5000 miles on the tires. Tires are checked for wear and proper inflation pressure with each trip. This is the second tire from this trailer that has failed. The first the belt fa... Read more
FORD F-150 (2017) — TIRES Jun 24, 2024
Incident date: Feb 9, 2024
235/50R18. Went for tire rotate and balance. Was informed that 3 of the 4 tires had tread separation and recommended replacement.
KIA SELTOS (2021) — TIRES Jun 24, 2024
Incident date: Jun 20, 2024
235/50R18. Went for tire rotate and balance. Was informed that 3 of the 4 tires had tread separation and recommended replacement.
FORD FUSION (2013) — TIRES Jun 24, 2024
Incident date: Jun 21, 2024
I purchased a new vehicle, 2016 Hyundai, from a local dealer, with a current mileage of 47,000. Hankook tires were OEM with the vehicle. I religiously bring my vehicle into the dealer for all maintenance, including rotating and balancing the tires every 3,000 miles. The first set of tires FAILED (less than 3/32) at approximately 23,000 miles. The dealer indicated that I need new tires and that t... Read more
FISKER OCEAN (2023) — TIRES Jun 24, 2024
Incident date: Jun 21, 2024
I purchased a new vehicle, 2016 Hyundai, from a local dealer, with a current mileage of 47,000. Hankook tires were OEM with the vehicle. I religiously bring my vehicle into the dealer for all maintenance, including rotating and balancing the tires every 3,000 miles. The first set of tires FAILED (less than 3/32) at approximately 23,000 miles. The dealer indicated that I need new tires and that t... Read more
HONDA CIVIC (2022) — TIRES Jun 22, 2024
Incident date: Jun 21, 2024
Tire Blowout Information Tire Type: Lionshead - Ridgeway Sport ST ST 225 / 75 R 15 Original Tires on 2021 Sport Trek 327VIK Purchased From: Southern RV Of McDonough, GA Purchase Date: [XXX] Milage on Tires at Event: >4000 miles Vehicle stored on Owners Property Incident Information [XXX] Driving [XXX] Northbound before exit [XXX], Driver-Side-Rear-Axel Tire blowout caused damage to Recreatio... Read more
MERCEDES-BENZ GLE 350 (2023) — TIRES Jun 22, 2024
Incident date: May 16, 2024
Tire Blowout Information Tire Type: Lionshead - Ridgeway Sport ST ST 225 / 75 R 15 Original Tires on 2021 Sport Trek 327VIK Purchased From: Southern RV Of McDonough, GA Purchase Date: [XXX] Milage on Tires at Event: >4000 miles Vehicle stored on Owners Property Incident Information [XXX] Driving [XXX] Northbound before exit [XXX], Driver-Side-Rear-Axel Tire blowout caused damage to Recreatio... Read more
TESLA MODEL X (2023) — TIRES Jun 21, 2024
Incident date: Jun 6, 2024
Goodyear Wrangler All-Terrain Adventure, LT265/70R18. On [XXX] at 113806 miles, I discovered that the driver's side front tire on the vehicle was flat in my driveway. Investigation revealed a puncture in the tread of the tire, caused by a gravel stone still lodged in the tire. Based on the amount of protrusion of the stone and the lack of any visible wear on it, I concluded that the stone must hav... Read more
CHRYSLER TOWN AND COUNTRY (2012) — TIRES Jun 21, 2024
Incident date: Jun 21, 2024
Goodyear Wrangler All-Terrain Adventure, LT265/70R18. On [XXX] at 113806 miles, I discovered that the driver's side front tire on the vehicle was flat in my driveway. Investigation revealed a puncture in the tread of the tire, caused by a gravel stone still lodged in the tire. Based on the amount of protrusion of the stone and the lack of any visible wear on it, I concluded that the stone must hav... Read more
GOODYEAR WRANGLER ALL TERRAIN ADVENTURE (9999) — TIRES Jun 21, 2024
Incident date: May 30, 2024
Goodyear Wrangler All-Terrain Adventure, LT275/70R18 Tire installed new on [XXX] at 79892 miles. Tires were properly maintained including proper inflation and rotated. On [XXX] at 112745 miles the driver side rear tire suffered a sudden and catastrophic tread separation failure. At the time of failure, tire had been in service for 33 months and 32,853 miles, and had significant tread life remainin... Read more
HONDA CIVIC (2016) — TIRES Jun 21, 2024
Incident date: May 1, 2017
Goodyear Wrangler All-Terrain Adventure, LT275/70R18 Tire installed new on [XXX] at 79892 miles. Tires were properly maintained including proper inflation and rotated. On [XXX] at 112745 miles the driver side rear tire suffered a sudden and catastrophic tread separation failure. At the time of failure, tire had been in service for 33 months and 32,853 miles, and had significant tread life remainin... Read more
TOYOTA HIGHLANDER (2023) — TIRES Jun 21, 2024
Incident date: Jun 6, 2024
I purchased four Bridgestone Alenza AS Ultra tires (255 / 50R 19 107 W XL front and back) from Costco at 2700 Potomac Mill Circle, Woodbridge, VA on [XXX]. These tires were specifically for a 2009 Range Rover Sport HSE. The odometer reading was 105632 at the time of purchase, and the tires were installed on [XXX]. The present mileage as of today is 118233. However, after a mere 12,000 miles, all f... Read more
HONDA PILOT (2019) — TIRES Jun 21, 2024
Incident date: Jun 21, 2024
I purchased four Bridgestone Alenza AS Ultra tires (255 / 50R 19 107 W XL front and back) from Costco at 2700 Potomac Mill Circle, Woodbridge, VA on [XXX]. These tires were specifically for a 2009 Range Rover Sport HSE. The odometer reading was 105632 at the time of purchase, and the tires were installed on [XXX]. The present mileage as of today is 118233. However, after a mere 12,000 miles, all f... Read more
DODGE DURANGO (2022) — TIRES Jun 21, 2024
Incident date: Jun 6, 2024
The contact owns a 2023 Toyota Highlander. The contact received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 24V419000 (Tires) however, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The contact stated that the manufacturer had exceeded a reasonable amount of time for the recall repair. The dealer was contacted. The manufacturer was not made aware of the issue. The contact had not experienced a... Read more
HYUNDAI SONATA (2015) — TIRES Jun 18, 2024
Incident date: Jun 11, 2024
Hello, I have a set of 4 Bridgestone Dueler LX tires that have been cracking for the past 8 months and now appear to be separating in between the treads. I’ve had America’s Tire Company look at them within the past 6 months and they always seem to state that it’s normal, but the cracks seem to be getting bigger and bigger. The wheels vibrate some, even after several re-balancing attempts. Th... Read more
HYUNDAI SONATA (2015) — TIRES Jun 18, 2024
Incident date: Jun 11, 2024
Hello, I have a set of 4 Bridgestone Dueler LX tires that have been cracking for the past 8 months and now appear to be separating in between the treads. I’ve had America’s Tire Company look at them within the past 6 months and they always seem to state that it’s normal, but the cracks seem to be getting bigger and bigger. The wheels vibrate some, even after several re-balancing attempts. Th... Read more
HYUNDAI ELANTRA (2017) — TIRES Jun 18, 2024
Incident date: Jun 8, 2024
The contact owns a 2011 Buick Enclave equipped with Sentury Tires, Tire Line: National Commando HTS, Tire Size: 255/55/R20, DOT Number: [XXX] . The contact had received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 23T009000 (Tires); however, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The contact stated that the front passenger's side tire was frequently flat. The contact stated that air was... Read more
FORD FUSION (2017) — TIRES Jun 18, 2024
Incident date: Jun 18, 2022
The contact owns a 2011 Buick Enclave equipped with Sentury Tires, Tire Line: National Commando HTS, Tire Size: 255/55/R20, DOT Number: [XXX] . The contact had received notification of NHTSA Campaign Number: 23T009000 (Tires); however, the part to do the recall repair was not yet available. The contact stated that the front passenger's side tire was frequently flat. The contact stated that air was... Read more
FORD EDGE (2018) — TIRES Jun 17, 2024
Incident date: May 30, 2024
Size 185/55/R15 82B. A set of tires was purchased May 2024 from Tire Rack. After driving less than 400 miles - the front drivers tire went flat while driving. Upon inspection of all four tires we noted all four are dated 2013. We were sold tires that are 11 years old and are therefore a danger.
DODGE RAM 1500 (2012) — TIRES Jun 17, 2024
Incident date: Jun 13, 2024
Size 185/55/R15 82B. A set of tires was purchased May 2024 from Tire Rack. After driving less than 400 miles - the front drivers tire went flat while driving. Upon inspection of all four tires we noted all four are dated 2013. We were sold tires that are 11 years old and are therefore a danger.
BUICK ENCLAVE (2011) — TIRES Jun 17, 2024
Incident date: Mar 14, 2024
The contact owns a 2019 Toyota Camry equipped with Michelin Tires, Tire Line: Energy Saver A/S, Tire Size: 215/55/R17, DOT Number: 1653F. The contact stated while his wife was driving 70 MPH with him in the passenger’s site seat, the driver’s side rear tire experienced a blowout and the vehicle skidded. The contact's wife was able to pull to the side of the road. The contact stated that Roadsi... Read more
FORD ESCAPE (2011) — TIRES Jun 17, 2024
Incident date: Jun 14, 2024
The contact owns a 2019 Toyota Camry equipped with Michelin Tires, Tire Line: Energy Saver A/S, Tire Size: 215/55/R17, DOT Number: 1653F. The contact stated while his wife was driving 70 MPH with him in the passenger’s site seat, the driver’s side rear tire experienced a blowout and the vehicle skidded. The contact's wife was able to pull to the side of the road. The contact stated that Roadsi... Read more
RAM 1500 (2025) — TIRES Jun 17, 2024
Incident date: May 30, 2024
THIS IS FOR TIRE SIZE P265 75 16. To start, I've seen multiple other complaints describing the same scenario and type of incident. Driving along the highway at appropriate speeds, I hear a whoosh/deep pitch rumble, then my vehicle began to vibrate violently. I was luckily able to pull over but had to swerve to regain control of my vehicle once the rumbling and vibration got too severe since it hap... Read more
RAM 1500 (2025) — TIRES Jun 17, 2024
Incident date: May 30, 2024
THIS IS FOR TIRE SIZE P265 75 16. To start, I've seen multiple other complaints describing the same scenario and type of incident. Driving along the highway at appropriate speeds, I hear a whoosh/deep pitch rumble, then my vehicle began to vibrate violently. I was luckily able to pull over but had to swerve to regain control of my vehicle once the rumbling and vibration got too severe since it hap... Read more
FORD F-150 (2023) — TIRES Jun 16, 2024
Incident date: Oct 1, 2023
Today, while driving on the freeway, the REAR Driver side Falken Wild Peak tire completely shredded nearly causing an accident (see attached photos). My husband-- was driving the vehicle and was able to pull to the side of the freeway and call for Emergency Services. The Sequoia did not hit any object while on the freeway. Also, the Toyota vehicle monitoring system (on both the vehicle and Toyota ... Read more
FORD F-150 (2023) — TIRES Jun 16, 2024
Incident date: Oct 1, 2023
Today, while driving on the freeway, the REAR Driver side Falken Wild Peak tire completely shredded nearly causing an accident (see attached photos). My husband-- was driving the vehicle and was able to pull to the side of the freeway and call for Emergency Services. The Sequoia did not hit any object while on the freeway. Also, the Toyota vehicle monitoring system (on both the vehicle and Toyota ... Read more
FORD ESCAPE (2018) — TIRES Jun 15, 2024
Incident date: Jun 15, 2024
245/35/R21, tire specifically made for Lucid. Small bump in road caused large bubble in sidewall. Lucid forums full of complaints about this. No replacement tires available in the US and no alternate available due to load rating. No promised time for more to be available. I had to borrow a loaner tire from lucid. I learned that Perilli is redesigning this tire with thicker sidewalls because of all... Read more
NISSAN PATHFINDER (2023) — TIRES Jun 15, 2024
Incident date: Nov 11, 2023
245/35/R21, tire specifically made for Lucid. Small bump in road caused large bubble in sidewall. Lucid forums full of complaints about this. No replacement tires available in the US and no alternate available due to load rating. No promised time for more to be available. I had to borrow a loaner tire from lucid. I learned that Perilli is redesigning this tire with thicker sidewalls because of all... Read more
TESLA MODEL S (2013) — TIRES Jun 14, 2024
Incident date: Jun 9, 2024
The contact owns a 2024 Winnebago Vita built on a 2024 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 3500 chassis equipped with Continental Tires, Tire Line: VanContact A/S, Rear Driver’s side Tire Size: 215/85/R16, DOT: HW0PHNKU, and Rear Passenger’s side Tire Size: 215/85/R16, DOT: HW0PHNKU. The contact attempted to check the tire pressure of the rear passenger’s side tire, but it was discovered that there was n... Read more
TESLA MODEL S (2013) — TIRES Jun 14, 2024
Incident date: Jun 9, 2024
The contact owns a 2024 Winnebago Vita built on a 2024 Mercedes-Benz Sprinter 3500 chassis equipped with Continental Tires, Tire Line: VanContact A/S, Rear Driver’s side Tire Size: 215/85/R16, DOT: HW0PHNKU, and Rear Passenger’s side Tire Size: 215/85/R16, DOT: HW0PHNKU. The contact attempted to check the tire pressure of the rear passenger’s side tire, but it was discovered that there was n... Read more
BMW X3 (2022) — TIRES Jun 14, 2024
Incident date: May 3, 2024
This BMW vehicle's odometer readings are inconsistent and inaccurate resulting in overage of mileage for lessee. This cars BMW tires were not verifiable to be from BMW and tires subsequently failed within 15,000 miles. No entity at BMW, not the dealership, not the sales, not BMW Financial Services or BMW of North America LLC could provide any information regarding the original tires or provide a... Read more
SHINKO SE890 (9999) — TIRES Jun 13, 2024
Incident date: Jun 8, 2024
Tire size275/55/R20 Back Country AT2 had complete sidewall detachment while going 75 on free-way. Tires appeared to be in good condition prior to incident. There were no potholes or road conditions that contributed to incident. This nearly resulted in a freeway speed rollover.
HONDA GL1800 (2006) — TIRES Jun 13, 2024
Incident date: Jun 8, 2024
Tire size275/55/R20 Back Country AT2 had complete sidewall detachment while going 75 on free-way. Tires appeared to be in good condition prior to incident. There were no potholes or road conditions that contributed to incident. This nearly resulted in a freeway speed rollover.
SHINKO SE890 (9999) — TIRES Jun 13, 2024
Incident date: Jun 8, 2024
A Shinko SE890 size 180-60-16 prematurely started coming apart at 3850 miles. My wife and I were riding 2 up on a Honda Goldwing. Pressure of the tire was checked the day we went for this 480 mile ride. The temperature was 90 degrees and the road was very good. When we neared the end of the ride, the motorcycle started shaking violently. I kept control, and the others who were riding with me hel... Read more
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